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Ubuntu 16.10 issues

Ted Felix-2
   I've just finished upgrading to Ubuntu 16.10 and I've noticed a
couple of issues so far.

1. The ALSA time bug is here, so playback doesn't work.  Bug #1537.

2. The LEDs look really bad.  They've become a single tiny point.

   Might be good to postpone 16.12 until I can do a little digging.
I'll try to get that done this week.

Ted.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

D. Michael McIntyre-3
On 12/07/2016 10:30 AM, Ted Felix wrote:

> 1. The ALSA time bug is here, so playback doesn't work.  Bug #1537.

Yay.

> 2. The LEDs look really bad.  They've become a single tiny point.

What Qt are you building against?  I can get a binary distribution of
that version and test stuff like that without a distro upgrade.

Come to think of it, there are various stylesheet glitches I keep
meaning to fix, and this would be a good time.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

Ted Felix-2
On 12/07/2016 02:21 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>> 2. The LEDs look really bad.  They've become a single tiny point.
> What Qt are you building against?  I can get a binary distribution of
> that version and test stuff like that without a distro upgrade.

   Looks like it's Qt 4.8.7.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

Ted Felix-2
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On 12/07/2016 10:30 AM, Ted Felix wrote:
> 2. The LEDs look really bad.  They've become a single tiny point.

   I had a hunch this was something to do with the Rosegarden.conf.  If
I delete my Rosegarden.conf, the LEDs become points.  If I then change a
setting, like "Start JACK automatically" and restart, the LEDs are fine.
  It may be something to do with colors in the .conf file.

   Should be real easy to fix.

Ted.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

Ted Felix-2
On 12/07/2016 04:12 PM, Ted Felix wrote:
> On 12/07/2016 10:30 AM, Ted Felix wrote:
>> 2. The LEDs look really bad.  They've become a single tiny point.
>    Should be real easy to fix.

   Maybe not.  Looks like it's a Qt4 issue.  In Qt5, it works fine even
after deleting the Rosegarden.conf.  The colors coming into Led look
good too.

   I will continue to dig...

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

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On 12/07/2016 02:21 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>> 2. The LEDs look really bad.  They've become a single tiny point.
> What Qt are you building against?  I can get a binary distribution of
> that version and test stuff like that without a distro upgrade.

   OK, I've got a test case for you.  I've figured out that the bad LEDs
only happen in "Native" (safe) graphics mode.  So try switching to Safe
mode and test with Qt 4.8.7.

   I'm going to open a bug report since this one is likely to plague us
with the users.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

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Ted:

On all of my Ubuntu 16.10 testing (on both newly-installed, and upgraded
systems), I didn't observe the problem with the LEDs.

The problem where it won't play, was in common with all of them. Is
there a work-around for that (ALSA timer) problem?  Rosegarden is
unusable on all of my Ubuntu 16.10 systems because of that problem.

- Aere


On 12/08/2016 08:17 AM, Ted Felix wrote:

> On 12/07/2016 02:21 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>>> 2. The LEDs look really bad.  They've become a single tiny point.
>> What Qt are you building against?  I can get a binary distribution of
>> that version and test stuff like that without a distro upgrade.
>     OK, I've got a test case for you.  I've figured out that the bad LEDs
> only happen in "Native" (safe) graphics mode.  So try switching to Safe
> mode and test with Qt 4.8.7.
>
>     I'm going to open a bug report since this one is likely to plague us
> with the users.
>
> Ted.
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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

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On 12/08/2016 10:17 AM, Ted Felix wrote:

>    OK, I've got a test case for you.  I've figured out that the bad LEDs
> only happen in "Native" (safe) graphics mode.  So try switching to Safe
> mode and test with Qt 4.8.7.

Had a look see.  Qt 4.8.7, safe graphics mode (snail icon appears), and
the LEDs look fine.  4.8.7 is what I already had in 16.04, so that
hasn't changed.

Now a billion other variables come into play.  Does anyone still care
about building with Qt4?  Is that really going to plague us?  I know we
have one guy running Ubuntu 08.04 on computer he hand built from
recycled garage door openers, but since only 50% of our sample even has
this problem......


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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

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On 12/08/2016 11:57 AM, Aere Greenway wrote:

> The problem where it won't play, was in common with all of them. Is
> there a work-around for that (ALSA timer) problem?  Rosegarden is
> unusable on all of my Ubuntu 16.10 systems because of that problem.

They released with a broken kernel.  Only fix is to patch or replace the
kernel.  I don't have a road map for achieving that handy.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

Ted Felix-2
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On 12/08/2016 11:57 AM, Aere Greenway wrote:
> On all of my Ubuntu 16.10 testing (on both newly-installed, and upgraded
> systems), I didn't observe the problem with the LEDs.

   Did you switch to "Safe" graphics mode in the preferences?

> The problem where it won't play, was in common with all of them. Is
> there a work-around for that (ALSA timer) problem?

   As Michael indicated, you'll need to build your own kernel to fix it
for now.  If you want to escalate with Ubuntu, the details are here:

https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1537/

   The Ubuntu kernel team would be most interested in the kernel bug
report here:

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177571

   One of the comments there indicates that fiddling with the timer
source helped.  Might be worth a try and a few system crashes.

   Let us know if you decide to escalate with Ubuntu.  I might at some
point, but I've got a lot on my plate right now.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

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Ted:

By "Leds", I assume you mean the "Mute Track", "Recording On This
Track", and "Solo Track" indicators.

On UbuntuGnome, I didn't do the safe graphics, but I tried it with and
without the "Thorn" theme.

On Kubuntu, I tried it both with, and without the safe graphics
preference, and did not see the problem you reported (knowing I had to
restart Rosegarden for it to take-effect).

I also tried it on UbuntuMATE, with the same results (no problem observed).

All of these systems were upgraded from their *ubuntu 16.04 level, and
they are all on the same machine (with its same graphics).

I could try it on a new-install 16.10 system, if it's worth a try.

- Aere


On 12/08/2016 03:16 PM, Ted Felix wrote:

> On 12/08/2016 11:57 AM, Aere Greenway wrote:
>> On all of my Ubuntu 16.10 testing (on both newly-installed, and upgraded
>> systems), I didn't observe the problem with the LEDs.
>
>   Did you switch to "Safe" graphics mode in the preferences?
>
>> The problem where it won't play, was in common with all of them. Is
>> there a work-around for that (ALSA timer) problem?
>
>   As Michael indicated, you'll need to build your own kernel to fix it
> for now.  If you want to escalate with Ubuntu, the details are here:
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1537/
>
>   The Ubuntu kernel team would be most interested in the kernel bug
> report here:
>
> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177571
>
>   One of the comments there indicates that fiddling with the timer
> source helped.  Might be worth a try and a few system crashes.
>
>   Let us know if you decide to escalate with Ubuntu.  I might at some
> point, but I've got a lot on my plate right now.
>
> Ted.
>


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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

Aere Greenway-2
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Ted:

I tried it on fresh-install (and updated) Lubuntu 16.10 system, and did
not observe the LEDs problem (both with Fast and Safe graphics.

The machine is a 933 mhz Compac Deskpro, with NVIDIA graphics.

My main machine that didn't reproduce the problem is a Dell inspiron
620(?) with newer Intel graphics. I tried both 32 and 64 bit systems on it.

- Aere


On 12/08/2016 03:16 PM, Ted Felix wrote:

> On 12/08/2016 11:57 AM, Aere Greenway wrote:
>> On all of my Ubuntu 16.10 testing (on both newly-installed, and upgraded
>> systems), I didn't observe the problem with the LEDs.
>
>   Did you switch to "Safe" graphics mode in the preferences?
>
>> The problem where it won't play, was in common with all of them. Is
>> there a work-around for that (ALSA timer) problem?
>
>   As Michael indicated, you'll need to build your own kernel to fix it
> for now.  If you want to escalate with Ubuntu, the details are here:
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1537/
>
>   The Ubuntu kernel team would be most interested in the kernel bug
> report here:
>
> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177571
>
>   One of the comments there indicates that fiddling with the timer
> source helped.  Might be worth a try and a few system crashes.
>
>   Let us know if you decide to escalate with Ubuntu.  I might at some
> point, but I've got a lot on my plate right now.
>
> Ted.
>


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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

Ted Felix-2
On 12/08/2016 06:22 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
> I tried it on fresh-install (and updated) Lubuntu 16.10 system, and did
> not observe the LEDs problem (both with Fast and Safe graphics.

   Thanks for running all these tests.  It's probably something very
specific to Ubuntu 16.10 with GNOME/Unity.  Maybe a bad library or
something.

Ted.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

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On 12/08/2016 07:56 PM, Ted Felix wrote:

> On 12/08/2016 06:22 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
>> I tried it on fresh-install (and updated) Lubuntu 16.10 system, and did
>> not observe the LEDs problem (both with Fast and Safe graphics.
>
>   Thanks for running all these tests.  It's probably something very
> specific to Ubuntu 16.10 with GNOME/Unity.  Maybe a bad library or
> something.
>
> Ted.
>

Ted:

I ran the test on my Ubuntu Unity system (64-bit), Athlon, touch-screen,
and was unable to reproduce the problem - the LEDs look fine in every case.

I'm pretty sure that system was upgraded from 16.04.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

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On 12/08/2016 11:22 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
> I ran the test on my Ubuntu Unity system (64-bit), Athlon, touch-screen,
> and was unable to reproduce the problem - the LEDs look fine in every case.
>
> I'm pretty sure that system was upgraded from 16.04.

   Well then maybe it's just me.  Let's hope so.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

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On 12/09/2016 07:18 AM, Ted Felix wrote:

> On 12/08/2016 11:22 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
>> I ran the test on my Ubuntu Unity system (64-bit), Athlon, touch-screen,
>> and was unable to reproduce the problem - the LEDs look fine in every
>> case.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that system was upgraded from 16.04.
>
>   Well then maybe it's just me.  Let's hope so.
>
> Ted.
>

Whether or not the new level was installed via upgrading, or newly
installed may be significant.  This is because the configuration files
(used in the prior level) are re-used if possible.

On my systems, I don't have a separate /home partition, and test systems
have everything newly-installed.

Perhaps, on a newly-installed system, something is missing.

That being said, I tried the tests on my (newly-installed, and updated)
Lubuntu 16.10 system on my minimum-system test machine, and could not
reproduce the problem.

I have a newly-installed Xubuntu 16.10 partition on that same machine,
but didn't install Rosegarden on it.  I could install Rosegarden and run
the test there, if you think it is worth trying.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

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On 12/09/2016 07:18 AM, Ted Felix wrote:

> On 12/08/2016 11:22 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
>> I ran the test on my Ubuntu Unity system (64-bit), Athlon, touch-screen,
>> and was unable to reproduce the problem - the LEDs look fine in every
>> case.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that system was upgraded from 16.04.
>
>   Well then maybe it's just me.  Let's hope so.
>
> Ted.
>
I can think of another reason why I was unable to reproduce the problem,
and it could be significant.

Since Ubuntu 15.10, when you install a Debian package using gdebi (or
software center), the 'recommended' dependencies no longer get installed.

To work-around this problem (for the KeyMusician Keyboard application,
which is not in the repositories, and is installed using gdebi or
software center), I created a Debian package which specifies the
'recommended' dependencies as 'required', and also a Debian package with
both the 'recommended' and 'suggested' packages as 'required'.

It is this second Debian package that causes the installation of
Rosegarden.

I install these additional dummy packages (consisting only of
dependencies) on every newly-installed (rather than upgraded) system.

Perhaps my list of packages required brings in something that Rosegarden
requires, but is inadvertently no longer listed as a dependency.

I have attached that second Debian package, used to cause the
installation of both 'recommended' and 'suggested' dependencies, in case
you want to cross-reference it with Rosegarden's dependencies.

Keep in mind, that gdebi also installs the dependencies for each
'required' dependency package in the dummy package.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

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On 12/09/2016 07:18 AM, Ted Felix wrote:

> On 12/08/2016 11:22 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
>> I ran the test on my Ubuntu Unity system (64-bit), Athlon, touch-screen,
>> and was unable to reproduce the problem - the LEDs look fine in every
>> case.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that system was upgraded from 16.04.
>
>   Well then maybe it's just me.  Let's hope so.
>
> Ted.
>
To save you having to drill-down into the Debian package I attached in
my last e-mail response, here is the dependency list from it:

Provides: keymusician-dependencies-extras
Depends: audacious, audacity, awesfx, default-jre, fluid-soundfont-gm,
fluidsynth, fluidsynth-dssi, gdebi, ghostess, hexter, icedtea-netx,
midisport-firmware, muse, musescore, musescore-soundfont-gm, nekobee,
numlockx,  pavucontrol, pulseaudio, qasmixer, qjackctl, qmidiroute,
qsynth, rosegarden, swami, ubuntustudio-audio-plugins, vmpk,
wsynth-dssi, xsynth-dssi, zynaddsubfx

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

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On 12/09/2016 09:18 AM, Ted Felix wrote:

>    Well then maybe it's just me.  Let's hope so.

It definitely does not appear that this issue is a serious show stopper.
  I imagine most people today build with Qt5 anyway.

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Re: Ubuntu 16.10 issues

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On 12/09/2016 05:30 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On 12/09/2016 09:18 AM, Ted Felix wrote:
>>    Well then maybe it's just me.  Let's hope so.
> It definitely does not appear that this issue is a serious show stopper.
>   I imagine most people today build with Qt5 anyway.

   Yeah, I would say that there's no need to postpone the build given
what's been found.  We've got a workaround and a bug report to point
people to if anyone else runs into this broken LED issue.

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