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Re: Rosegarden-user Digest, Vol 115, Issue 4

Mike Rose
Thanks for your input on looping
I will try the various ways and see what I think.

But still - is there no way the ruler can be increased vertically? At
least offering the user the option would be preferable. You just have to
be quite pixel perfect when using it at the moment which is the last
thing you want when you are selecting loop ranges.

Thanks
Mike

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>     3. Re: Bug or feature? (Ted Felix)
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> Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 21:15:44 +0200
> From: Lorenzo Sutton <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Looping
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> On 15/05/16 16:11, Abrolag wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 08:54:02 +0100
>> Mike Rose <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there
>>> A remember using Rosegarden many years ago now.
>>> I've followed developments. It's turned into a really good sequencer.
>>> There are a lot of things I love about it......
>>>
>>> One thing that stopped me using it concerned looping. I found it so
>>> fiddly I gave up.
>>> IMO the ruler at the top of the screen is much too narrow vertically.
>>> I've come back after many years and installed it and still see the same
>>> thing is there. I wish there was a way of making the ruler a lot bigger
>>> vertically.
> Personally I find the ruler the right size balance between usefulness
> and unobtrusiveness... But I am 'still' at a 1368 resolution, so no
> super-duper-hd display here :)
>
>>> In a lot of sequencers if you want to loop a section you just drag/draw
>>> easily on the ruler and let go of the mouse and a couple of loop markers
>>> are  created with automatic looping switched on. It makes looping a no
>>> brainer.
>>> I reckon  Rosegarden would benefit from this.
>>>
>>> Looping is  common activity in sequencers when you are building up a
>>> track. I find I want to use the sequencer but this is a show stopper for me.
>>>
>>> What do you think. It could just be me!
> [...]
>
>> There is a sneaky way you can get effective looping of complete bars.
>>
>> Once you've got the section you want to loop in place, highlight just that
>> segment and switch on repeat. Where you want the loop to stop, insert another
>> segment. An 'empty' segment will simply stop the loop, but if you highlight
>> that segment and switch on repeat, away you go again with just the new segment.
>   >
>   > Put segments on different tracks and you can give them different loop
> times :)
>   >
>   >
>
>
> Yes, repeat of individual segments is a great feature, especially the
> fact that you can repeat segments individually (e.g. imagine a verse +
> chorus).
>
> That said, it is different from looping sections of a whole song which
> as Mike says has many use cases.
> Another way to set the loop range is through the Transport bar which is
> toggled with the 't' key.
> To quickly set a point at exact measure limits another
> (not-so-well-known?) feature is that if you press PAG-UP and PAG-DOWN
> keys in Rosegarden you alway move backward/forward exactly at measures
> (I use this really a lot in general) so you can precisely move to the
> start of your range, click on the start loop range button (leftwards
> arrow at the left of the loop toggle button) etc.
>
> My two cents.
> Lorenzo.
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 23:49:53 -1000
> From: david <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Looping
> To: rosegarden-user <[hidden email]>
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> On 05/15/2016 09:15 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>> On 15/05/16 16:11, Abrolag wrote:
>>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 08:54:02 +0100
>>> Mike Rose <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi there
>>>> A remember using Rosegarden many years ago now.
>>>> I've followed developments. It's turned into a really good sequencer.
>>>> There are a lot of things I love about it......
>>>>
>>>> One thing that stopped me using it concerned looping. I found it so
>>>> fiddly I gave up.
>>>> IMO the ruler at the top of the screen is much too narrow vertically.
>>>> I've come back after many years and installed it and still see the same
>>>> thing is there. I wish there was a way of making the ruler a lot bigger
>>>> vertically.
>> Personally I find the ruler the right size balance between usefulness
>> and unobtrusiveness... But I am 'still' at a 1368 resolution, so no
>> super-duper-hd display here :)
> At 1920x1080 on a 15" laptop screen, it's OK. On a 4K screen, might be a
> whole different story.
>
>>>> In a lot of sequencers if you want to loop a section you just drag/draw
>>>> easily on the ruler and let go of the mouse and a couple of loop markers
>>>> are  created with automatic looping switched on. It makes looping a no
>>>> brainer.
>>>> I reckon  Rosegarden would benefit from this.
>>>>
>>>> Looping is  common activity in sequencers when you are building up a
>>>> track. I find I want to use the sequencer but this is a show stopper for me.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think. It could just be me!
>> [...]
>>
>>> There is a sneaky way you can get effective looping of complete bars.
>>>
>>> Once you've got the section you want to loop in place, highlight just that
>>> segment and switch on repeat. Where you want the loop to stop, insert another
>>> segment. An 'empty' segment will simply stop the loop, but if you highlight
>>> that segment and switch on repeat, away you go again with just the new segment.
>>   >
>>   > Put segments on different tracks and you can give them different loop
>> times :)
>>   >
>>
>> Yes, repeat of individual segments is a great feature, especially the
>> fact that you can repeat segments individually (e.g. imagine a verse +
>> chorus).
>>
>> That said, it is different from looping sections of a whole song which
>> as Mike says has many use cases.
>> Another way to set the loop range is through the Transport bar which is
>> toggled with the 't' key.
>> To quickly set a point at exact measure limits another
>> (not-so-well-known?) feature is that if you press PAG-UP and PAG-DOWN
>> keys in Rosegarden you alway move backward/forward exactly at measures
>> (I use this really a lot in general) so you can precisely move to the
>> start of your range, click on the start loop range button (leftwards
>> arrow at the left of the loop toggle button) etc.
> Thanks for all the different ways! Now is there a way to, say, repeat a
> segment a specified number of times while making it show up in a score
> wrapped with repeat signs? Like a verse segment with 3 verses, followed
> by a chorus segment?
>


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Re: Rosegarden-user Digest, Vol 115, Issue 4

Ted Felix-2
On 05/21/2016 02:19 AM, Mike Rose wrote:
> But still - is there no way the ruler can be increased vertically?

   It certainly can.  If you don't mind making modifications to the
code, building, and testing, then try this:

- In TrackEditor::init() increase barButtonsHeight to 35 pixels.
- In StandardRuler's ctor, change the initial value for
m_loopRulerHeight from 10 to 20.

   The loop ruler will now be twice as big.

> At
> least offering the user the option would be preferable.

   This could certainly be done.  But I'd like to rule out other issues
first.

> You just have to
> be quite pixel perfect when using it at the moment which is the last
> thing you want when you are selecting loop ranges.

   The loop ruler is 10 pixels high.  My mouse is accurate down to two
pixels.  It's quite comfortable for me to use.  This makes me wonder if
you've found some other issue.

   Are you using a mouse?  Trackpad?  Touchscreen?  Other?

   Is the loop ruler about 1/3 the height of the tracks?

   Can you send a screenshot?  That might shed some light.

Ted.

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