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John A
Hi all,

I am a new Rosegarden user, trying out how to sync RG with my Korg
Triton. I have existing sequences in the Korg, that I would like to
bounce over to RG. I have managed to get the data to record from the
Korg into RG, but still not in sync, and I get frequent unexpected
occurrences; specifically, I have trouble with unexpected program
changes and notes sticking or feeding back.

 From reading the handbook, it seems that setting each channel to
'Receive External' should result in RG just sending the MIDI data to the
programs however they might be arranged on the keyboard, but I still get
unexpected program changes. 'Receive external will even uncheck itself
almost immediately after I check it.

I looked into setting the exact bank and program numbers for each
channel, but RG doesn't "see" the korg, it only "sees" my Scarlett 2i4
"general midi device." I tried to set it up through "Manage MIDI Banks
and Programs," and imported existing bank settings for the Triton
Extreme. (This was the closest I could find to my keyboard) I thought I
could at least set the right bank and program numbers, even if the names
didn't match. This didn't seem to work at all, and now each channel is
just playing whatever program each channel on the Korg is set to; this
is what I wanted it to do initially, but when I try to use it that way I
get the aforementioned surprises.

I'm not sure what to do about the issue. I would greatly appreciate any
help in this problem!

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Re: Basic Midi Set up

Ted Felix-2
On 10/25/2016 10:06 PM, John A wrote:
> I have managed to get the data to record from the
> Korg into RG, but still not in sync

   In what way is it not in sync?  Timing across tracks?  Something else?

>  From reading the handbook, it seems that setting each channel to
> 'Receive External' should result in RG just sending the MIDI data to the
> programs however they might be arranged on the keyboard

   "Receive external" puts the currently selected track into a mode
where it will set its bank/program to whatever bank/program comes in
from the keyboard.  Its intent is to make it easier to dial up a
specific bank/program without having to sift through all the entries in
the comboboxes.

> 'Receive external will even uncheck itself
> almost immediately after I check it.

   This is working as designed.  It is intended to be used on a single
track at a time.  Switching to another track turns it off.  This
prevents accidentally messing up the bank/program settings on other tracks.

> I tried to set it up through "Manage MIDI Banks
> and Programs," and imported existing bank settings for the Triton
> Extreme. (This was the closest I could find to my keyboard)

   This is the way banks/programs for a track should be set up ideally.
This is the way Rosegarden is designed to work.  If there isn't a bank
that you can import from the library that matches your keyboard, that
makes it difficult to use Rosegarden.

   That said, there are certainly other ways to use Rosegarden.  Do you
have tracks that change program over the course of a piece?  In that
case, importing banks won't help much.  You'll more likely want to use
the event editor to work with banks/programs.

   I recommend starting small.  Whip together a short two track example
on the Triton.  Send it over to Rosegarden, then send us the resulting
.rg file.  Tell us what you expect and what you are getting.  We should
be able to help quite a bit from that starting point.

Ted.

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Re: Basic Midi Set up

John A
I managed to get the following instructions to work, and have
successfully set up the Korg Triton as a MIDI device. I can now select
the KT programs directly from within RG, and it all works great, except
for two problems.

1.) The device doesn't save. I have to set it up again every time I open
RG, unless I open a particular file I have saved with this device. Is
there any way to make this device available be default for all new files?

2.) Drum programs have this weird annoying doubling. Ted Felix suggested
that it could be a "local on/off" problem, and sent me a link to the
following article:
http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/doc:using_thru_routing. I looked
through this, and tweaked settings both on the Korg and in RG, and I
can't seem to fix it. It happens with local control on and with it off,
and only on drum programs. Every other program works fine. This problem
makes no sense to me whatsoever, and I am totally stumped on what to
even try; I can't find anything that all these programs have in common,
other than that they are drum programs. Any ideas on this?

Thanks in advance!


On 10/26/2016 09:52 PM, Ted Felix wrote:

> On 10/26/2016 07:43 PM, John A wrote:
>> I'm not sure of the proper terminology on this, but I think it is
>> timecode sync; where hitting play on one sequencer starts another, or
>> vice versa, one being the master and one being the slave.
>
>   See Edit > Preferences > MIDI > MIDI Sync.  MTC is in there.  Not
> sure how well it works.  MMC is there too.
>
>> Still, being able to access the Korg program name and numbers from
>> within RG would be very good;
>
>   It looks like we have a script that converts cakewalk .ins files to
> .rgd files.
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/mailman/message/29289839/
>
>   It's called ins2rgd.pl.  So, all you should need is a cakewalk .ins
> (instrument) file for the Triton Studio and that script should
> transform it into something that is at least very close to what you need.
>
>   Triton Studio .ins files appear to be here:
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/mailman/message/29289839/
>
> Ted.


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Re: Basic Midi Set up

Abrolag
On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 16:17:40 -0600
John A <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I managed to get the following instructions to work, and have
> successfully set up the Korg Triton as a MIDI device. I can now select
> the KT programs directly from within RG, and it all works great, except
> for two problems.
>
> 1.) The device doesn't save. I have to set it up again every time I open
> RG, unless I open a particular file I have saved with this device. Is
> there any way to make this device available be default for all new files?
>
> 2.) Drum programs have this weird annoying doubling. Ted Felix suggested
> that it could be a "local on/off" problem, and sent me a link to the
> following article:
> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/doc:using_thru_routing. I looked
> through this, and tweaked settings both on the Korg and in RG, and I
> can't seem to fix it. It happens with local control on and with it off,
> and only on drum programs. Every other program works fine. This problem
> makes no sense to me whatsoever, and I am totally stumped on what to
> even try; I can't find anything that all these programs have in common,
> other than that they are drum programs. Any ideas on this?
>
> Thanks in advance!

Set it up as you want then from the top menu bar:

Studio -> Save Current Document as Default Studio

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Re: Basic Midi Set up

John A


On 11/11/2016 04:25 PM, Abrolag wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 16:17:40 -0600
> John A <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I managed to get the following instructions to work, and have
>> successfully set up the Korg Triton as a MIDI device. I can now select
>> the KT programs directly from within RG, and it all works great, except
>> for two problems.
>>
>> 1.) The device doesn't save. I have to set it up again every time I open
>> RG, unless I open a particular file I have saved with this device. Is
>> there any way to make this device available be default for all new files?
>>
>> 2.) Drum programs have this weird annoying doubling. Ted Felix suggested
>> that it could be a "local on/off" problem, and sent me a link to the
>> following article:
>> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/doc:using_thru_routing. I looked
>> through this, and tweaked settings both on the Korg and in RG, and I
>> can't seem to fix it. It happens with local control on and with it off,
>> and only on drum programs. Every other program works fine. This problem
>> makes no sense to me whatsoever, and I am totally stumped on what to
>> even try; I can't find anything that all these programs have in common,
>> other than that they are drum programs. Any ideas on this?
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
> Set it up as you want then from the top menu bar:
>
> Studio -> Save Current Document as Default Studio
>

This worked. Thank you!

The bizarre drum doubling seems to have gone also; I'm not sure what I
did differently, but after a restart of RG and the Korg it's gone. I
could have sworn I tried this before, but either way it's no longer an
issue.

Thanks again!



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